Stephen Farrell - 2026-05-18 18:02:39
@mcr: maybe https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/funding/funding-opportunities/funding-programmes-and-open-calls/horizon-europe_en
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 18:14:21
the key to understanding IPv10 is that it's *HEX*, so, version 16 for a 4-bit field :-)
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 18:30:52
DHC WG is our forever group.
Jen Linkova - 2026-05-18 18:31:11
What is the oldest wg, actually?
Jen Linkova - 2026-05-18 18:31:36
Should we celebrate?
Jen Linkova - 2026-05-18 18:32:52
Like, which WG id allowed to buy alcohol?
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 18:36:59
I thought ROLL goes back to 2006, but DT says 2009. So, it's just hitting 18, I guess.
Petra Zeidler - 2026-05-18 18:41:16
dnsop started in 1999
Petra Zeidler - 2026-05-18 18:41:47
mpls in 1997
Keith Mitchell - 2026-05-18 18:41:53
Connect-wg was previously eix-wg and AFIACR started sometime in the late 90s too
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 18:46:35
2/3 of the people cared enough to be in the room, rather than drinking coffee, but aren't further involved.
Andrew Campling - 2026-05-18 18:47:37
We shouldn't assume that those that participate in both the IETF and RIPE are all operators
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 18:48:06
what was the new result?
Andrew Campling - 2026-05-18 18:48:21
Not many, from what I could see
Andrew Campling - 2026-05-18 18:51:11
There is also a need for more participation from enterprises and cybersecurity companies at the IETF, not just operators
Jen Linkova - 2026-05-18 18:54:40
I think we might understand "operator" differently :) I'm operating an enterprise network, and I do identify as an operator
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 18:56:12
I offer to get onto any kind of video-confering to help setup your I-D process. It's gotten overly complex: it sings, dances, and shines your shoes, and probably, you only need a pair of warm socks.
Petra Zeidler - 2026-05-18 18:58:39
I've participated in IETF mailing lists in the past, but I've never attended a IETF meeting. I could afford it but it would be a rather expensive hobby, given zero expected financial gain
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 18:58:57
deleting entire threads from IETF mailing lists is relatively easy; acting on review contents is what takes actual hours :-)
Andrew Campling - 2026-05-18 18:59:59
Perhaps use AI email clients to summarise everything 😀
Jen Linkova - 2026-05-18 19:01:09
@perta yes. I guess it's often hard to estimate direct gain from the IETF (or from the ROPE meeting, for that matter) - it does deo
Jen Linkova - 2026-05-18 19:01:32
It does depend on the issues you need to solve.
Jen Linkova - 2026-05-18 19:02:34
A success story: I was running of v4, I needed a way to deploy ipv6 incrementally - I came to the IETF and we developed a *deployable* way of doing this
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 19:03:03
What I'm hearing from Jim is that maybe a future BOF ought to do a role-play of a newcoming commenting/contributing to an I-D?
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 19:04:28
As a small operator, are you having problems with the tools you have, and are the problems you have with the tools, or with the lack of complete implementation of a specification?
Michael Richardson - 2026-05-18 19:05:50
What Lee said. The BOF is where we need a lot more operator involvement.
Petra Zeidler - 2026-05-18 19:06:27
@Jen I dabble in Open Source in my spare time
Ulka Athale - 2026-05-18 19:09:18
Thanks everyone - that's the end of the sessions for today.